Dec 7, 2021
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In this episode of Opposing Views, I was joined by Arthur Caplan and James Lindsay to discuss COVID-19 Vaccine passports (I.D.cards). We covered a range of topics like proposed vaccine passports, current restrictions in different US states, the impact of creating more I.D. on governmental control, and social credit systems.
Arthur Caplan is a professor and founding head of the Division of Medical Ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine. He focuses on ethics, bioethics, research ethics, transplantation, and health reform.
James Lindsay is an American author, cultural critic, and mathematician. He has spent considerable time in the “woke'' culture, especially in the written community. During that time, he studied the main tenets of woke literature and gained a broader perspective on related social changes, both domestic and abroad.
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Show Notes
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[0:00] Intro
[02:00] James Lindsay’s background and career
[02:17] “It's actually pretty hard to give a brief background of
who I am and what I do" James Lindsay
[08:00] Are vaccine passports the end of COVID? Or the beginning of
a new, more terrible stage of restrictions?
[09:29] “[It’s] something like a health passport. That passport
becomes the gateway to a digital I.D. that's connected to your
ability to participate in society, so it’s the beginning of a
social credit system" James Lindsay
[11:18] The pandemic is being used to install social control"
JL
[13:28] What is James' response to people who believe that the
social credit system is a convoluted conspiracy theory?
[18:24] What could be the reason for a more global social credit
system?
[23:01] “Safety from everything” as the main claim prompting
mandatory passports
[28:33] Details on the proposed vaccine passports and early
preparations in NY State and LA
[31:06] More literary references
[34:37] Details of US eviction moratorium. Restructuring government
and its interaction with the public to maintain the power balance
in a new age
[37:13] How do you restructure western society on a global scale?
Change needs to start with nongovernmental sectors buying into an
idea or set of rules
[54:25] "How do you sleep at night?" Mikhaila Peterson. "You get
really tired and then you just black out and have bad dreams"
JL
[54:34] Farewell to James Lindsay
[58:40] Intro to Arthur Caplan
[1:03:10] What’s the ethical impact of a vaccine passport?
[1:03:15] "You're gonna need to have some way to prove you're
vaccinated if we're gonna have freedom to travel. The biggest
reason to get a vaccine passport going is because many countries
are saying you can't come in here unless you are vaccinated" Arthur
Caplan
[01:03:57] Travel options for people who don't want to be
vaccinated?
[01:05:45] Addressing the concern that passports are the start of a
social credit-type system
[01:06:15] "In the middle of a plague, we need these vaccine
passports. When the plague goes away, the passports go away" AC
[01:07:00] "People are constantly saying to me that they don't want
a vaccine passport because people will know where they are. You
know what this cell phone does? It transmits every minute where I
am to a slew of people" AC
[01:08:00] What are the current COVID-19 restrictions in NYC?
[01:11:59] Are there valid concerns with using a vaccine that was
researched and developed so quickly? "Warp speed" manufacturing
after the promise of guaranteed payment from the US government
[01:13:59] Having short-term passports until cases decrease
[01:16:15] What's the expected social impact of the vaccines?
[01:19:15] Do vaccines reduce the severity of COVID-19
symptoms?
[01:20:52] How does natural immunity play into mandate
exemptions?
[01:22:55] "I think it's a three-shot vaccine" AC
[01:24:00] "We were in such a hurry to get these things out there,
and they worked. At least they stopped the initial wave of COVID...
If the three shots give you immunity for three years, or five
years, that's what you want" AC
[01:25:15] Financial liability for those who partake in social
situations, work, or school while knowing they’re COVID
positive
[01:27:15] How do vaccine passports work with privacy laws about
healthcare information?
[01:32:15] Alternative medicines and approaches to COVID-19
[01:35:15] Wrapping up
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